|IRC Nick||Time (GMT-7)||Message|
|reichi||08:02||i wish someone would've though about embedded linux devices when designing npapi...
(there's a actually a lot of things people seem to have not thought about when designing npapi)
|nirvdrum||08:02||reichi: Well, it's from Netscape 4 I think.
What's that? 1995?
but the added linux
and decided to totally bind it to x11
so that's the first thing which takes away lots of flexiblity
|nirvdrum||08:02||I took that to be an implementation detail. The problem is at this point, both Google and Mozilla want to kill off NPAPI.|
|reichi||08:02||especially since waylind is slowly creeping in|
|nirvdrum||08:02||So neither is spending any time to fix things.|
but there's no real alternative
ppapi may be great
but it's chrome-only
|nirvdrum||08:02||Google doesn't seem to care much.|
|reichi||08:02||or chromium-only if one wants to be more precise|
|nirvdrum||08:02||They're doing the same shit MS did, just with an open source browser.
since opera will be using webkit, too in future releases
|nirvdrum||08:02||webkit is a rendering engine.|
|reichi||08:02||it could be a proper way to integrate ppapi everywhere
i know ;)
we are using qtwebkit
|nirvdrum||08:02||Most people seem not to.|
|reichi||08:02||on our devices|
|nirvdrum||08:02||I deal with web testing.
It's astonishing how many people think testing on qtwebkit is the same as testing on Safari or Chrome.
|nirvdrum||08:02||Of course, what they're really testing is JS, not rendering.|
|nirvdrum||08:02||And none of them use the same JS engine.|
|reichi||08:02||first of all qtwebkit is still not using V8
which is important when it comes to js
almost everyone uses a different version of webkit
|reichi||08:02||which leads to phenomenons that are euqally strange to having completely different browsers|
|nirvdrum||08:02||I've found a lot of differences even in rendering from Safari to Chrome.|
in addition you have different default fonts etc
|nirvdrum||08:02||But people think I'm making it up :-P|
|reichi||08:02||there's so much stuff
the thing is i had to rip a lot of stuff out of the qtwebkit npapi implementation
|nirvdrum||08:02||mogotest.com is what I work on. I find out a lot about browsers' dirty secrets.
IE is much saner than many people give it credit for.
|reichi||08:02||what I basically have now is a qtwebkit that clears the region where the plugin resides
and i can draw my stuff behind that
in my case move the video behind that
because of the way the browser draws you can have nice overlays this way
(the issue is that we do have gui-z-layers on the one hand, and the browser has it's own)
somehow it's hack
but somehow it isn't
my basic idea would've been to pass in void pointers
where platform-specific stuff comes into play
|taxilian||08:02||nirvdrum: we know that IE is sane, it's just the fact that it's mentally handicapped that concerns us|
|nirvdrum||08:02||I'll take the stability. I can't even count how many times a forced Chrome upgrade broke everything for me.
And I have a plugin that works in IE 6 - 10.
That's amazing to me.
yeah, I can't argue that
particularly since the latest chrome update broke drawing on windowless plugins
not 100% certain what they did, but I now have to put a black background behind my plugin to make it look right
that's one of the big advantages you have on embedded systems
no one changes anything you don't want ;)
|rrrrr||10:02||я видал что видяшку русский делал
ну ладно на русской винде %)
я медленно по-русски печатаю, а вроде бы понимаю
|rrrrr||10:02||решил написать пару плагов под браузера
думаю тулза пригодится, буду очень рад если так, донейт не за горами
|taxilian||10:02||а понимаете, если я по-англиски отвечаю?|
|taxilian||10:02||excellent =] you can keep typing in Russian if you want; I can type much faster in English|
ставлю питон )))
видео туториал меня вдохновил :)
сейчас соберу свой первый хеллоу ворлд ^_^
к стати а где можно прочитать про лицензию?
|taxilian||10:02||in the source files
it's on the website too
you may choose either the New BSD license or the LGPL
|rrrrr||10:02||блин я как обычно смотрю плохо (|
|taxilian||10:02||most people use New BSD|
|rrrrr||10:02||i love this project ^_^
and now!!! time for hello world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in any project allways select wrong python version... like with ida, etc %) :DDD
надо записаться на курсы английского %)
my Russian is getting rusty; I don't use it much anymore
that's why I keep my computers installed in Russian, so I don't lose it
а откуда познания русского вообще?
я не заметил акцента в английском даже
интересный случай :)
|taxilian||10:02||I lived in Russia for 2 years|
|taxilian||10:02||and my accent is very noticeable when I talk, I'm sure =]
|taxilian||10:02||Omsk, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk, Irkutsk, a bit in Ulan Ude and Angarsk|
|taxilian||10:02||spent a little time in each. spent about 8 months in Omsk, more than any other city
I traveled through Moscow going and coming
I've been home for 5 years now, though
|rrrrr||10:02||блин это круто
я готов поспорить русские должны были научить материться)
|taxilian||10:02||where do you live?
lol. I tried very hard to avoid learning to swear in Russian, actually =]
|rrrrr||10:02||oh... im live in Moscow, but, im from Kyrgyzstan, and for 10 years lived in Kemerovo region :DDD|
|taxilian||10:02||cool Kemerovo isn't too far from Novosibirsk, if memory serves|
|rrrrr||10:02||чтобы понять русскую душу) надо понять русский мат )))))))))))))))))))) это душевная тема ))))
yep, 4 hours in the car
|taxilian||10:02||heh. we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, though you are not the first russian I've met to feel that way
I'm not a real believer in swearing anyway, though
|rrrrr||10:02||да всё хорошо, надеюсь вас тут не обижали.
а то я знаю какие тут люди....... "весёлые"
а вот в Москве вообще все злые %) бегут кудато...
|taxilian||10:02||hehe. no, you didn't offend me
it is pretty hard to offend me, actually
|rrrrr||10:02||noooo, not me, people in Omsk... etc, many of them needs to be kicked to ass :DDD|
|taxilian||10:02||I was in Russia as a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints; I spent all day talking to people about religion. *Believe me* I have had people be far more rude to me in person than you'll ever manage in a chat room =]|
|rrrrr||10:02||bad ppl :(|
|taxilian||10:02||heh. I really liked the people of Omsk
I have many friends there that I miss a lot
some I still talk to a bit
|rrrrr||10:02||oh... it is good. believe in God?|
|taxilian||10:02||that I do
else I wouldn't have paid to go to Russia for 2 years to teach people about it
|rrrrr||10:02||hm... where are you from?|
большая часть населения России - это православные люди и на сколько я знаю в Штатах, католицизм... не было конфликтов?
|taxilian||10:02||I'm on the phone; be back in a few minutes
I'm not actually sure if Catholicism is the largest religion in the US. I'm not catholic, however
ладно мне пора идти домой, уже рабочий день заканчивается, извините если всё же как то вас задел, я рад что мы встретились, буду стараться почаще заходить сюда. всего вам хорошего :)
|taxilian||11:02||=] and to you
|xiaoguo||23:02||Can anyone give me some help on how to use web service in firebreath? Can I must use other library like gSOAP ?|
|taxilian||23:02||xiaoguo: it's c++, you can use whatever you want
the one thing to be aware of is that you may have issues if the client has a proxy; if you want to be sure it'll work, use the BrowserStreams API so that you go through the browser to make requests
|xiaoguo||23:02||Thank you very much! !|