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|ilan_||00:08||Hi, im trying to compile the BasicMediaPlayer example in Mac 10.7 (lion)
I get a linker error
I got the latest version 1.6 firebreath
|dougma||00:08||hmmm... i've not tried it. what's the error?|
|ilan_||00:08||Apple mach-O Linker(id) error Command/Developer/usr/bin/IIvm-g++ 4.2 failed with exit code 1
any idea ?
Are you there ?
went to sleep ?
|dougma||00:08||sorry, doing other things...
not much of an error message is it.
"builex" not "buildex"? anyway, let me try a build here.
|dougma||00:08||using xcode or make files?|
|dougma||00:08||oh yes, they're still broken.|
|dougma||00:08||never attempted it myself until now
or fix the prepmake.sh
|ilan_||00:08||How do I use xcode instead of prepmac ?|
|dougma||00:08||open the project with xcode|
|dougma||00:08||and then navigate the ui
select your project, hit build
|ilan_||00:08||It works for you ?|
actually BasicMediaPlayer built fine for me
so... i don't know.
|ilan_||00:08||So it works for both ways|
|ilan_||00:08||So you dont know why do I get the error|
|ilan_||00:08||Why did you think its broken?|
|dougma||00:08||i think taxilian mentioned it was almost working|
|kalev||00:08||by the way, if you don't like using xcode IDE, you can easily build it on the command line with xcode
./prepmac.sh, cd buildex, cmake --build . or something like that.
|ilan_||00:08||So it works or not ? The problem is in my setup ?|
|dougma||00:08||it works for me. so the problem is in your setup or the commands you are running.|
|ilan_||00:08||ok the command is xcodebuild no ?
from the command window
|dougma||00:08||i ran prepmake.sh and then make|
and then go to the project and run xcodebuild
|dougma||00:08||with prepmac i just launch xcode... never tried xcodebuild|
|ilan_||00:08||can you try this way ?
and then xcodebuild
|dougma||00:08||build succeeded. though i ran prepac from outside of the Firebreath tree: ../FireBreath/prepmac.sh ../FireBreath/examples .|
|ilan_||00:08||Does it matter?|
How can I rename one of the examples?
|dmg10||03:08||My question may only be marginally firebreath related... go easy on me :) I have a firebreath plugin, I need to put a webbrowser in my plugin so that there is only a single webbrowser content in all places where my plugin is used. This is especially true for Chrome and IE which are multiprocess architected. I can't have the situation where multiple plugin instances are doing multiple GETS or...
...POSTS. It needs to be the same hDC browser across all of them.
Any ideas about which route would work best with firebreath? Exploring IE... but IOleClientSite and other interfaces on COM suggest one window per browser? Webkit seems difficult to build... argh. :)
|ilan_||04:08||I need to rename BasicMediaPlayer example is it possible ?
maybe by changing PluginConfig.cmake
and then run prepmac.sh
what do you think ?
|dmg10||04:08||No clue bud, I'm here asking questions too
I'd just try it
|kalev||04:08||dmg10: I remember taxilian_away toyed with the idea of putting a web server in a plugin; not sure if he ended up doing that or not|
|dmg10||04:08||kalev: Know what time he usually comes online?|
|linearray||04:08||isn't that what WebView is about?|
|kalev||04:08||maybe in 5 hours
could be, I'm not really up to speed with recent firebreath developments.
|dmg10||04:08||linearray: WebView? Googled that and found Android.WebView which seems to be a widget of webkit for android...? What are you referring to?|
|linearray||04:08||all I can remember is that it's about putting a browser within your plugin
you can search the logs for more info
|dmg10||04:08||well, depending on how it works... hopefully it's exactly what I need... I do have this wierd requirement of only one browser per plugin. :/|
Is it posibble to rename one of firebreath examples ?
like BasicMediaPlayer to XXX
|linearray||05:08||why would you do that?|
|fridman||05:08||and the plugin name also|
|linearray||05:08||and of course it's possible... but don't ask me how much you have to change :)|
|fridman||05:08||Cant I do it in the PluginConfig.cmake and it will affect all the changes ?
and then run prepmas.sh
|linearray||05:08||as far as I can see that might work|
|taxilian||09:08||linearray: good answer; it will work just fine for him
that's how you rename things
all the metadata configuration is in PluginConfig.cmake
|dmg10||09:08||taxilian: Will I be able to create one instance of WebView for all instances of my FB plugin? I know that the ie com object requires the HWND, and don't know if that complicates things. Still getting my head around cmake :)|
|taxilian||09:08||dmg10: on Mac, yes, on windows, no
on windows it uses the IE activex control, which as you noted is a "one window per instance" thing
now, if you can find a way to draw to an offscreen hwnd and scrape the pixels or something then we might be able to do something with it
Is it naive of me to think I can use some of the Mac code to get Webkit working on windows?... Basically, I'm trying to create a toolbar for both Chrome and IE which loads content and adverts. I can't have multiple toolbars pulling duplicated adverts off screen. Advertisers won't be happy.
Multiple toolbars is what you land up with because of the multiprocess nature of ie and chrome... firefox doesn't have such problems.
Hence the need for a plugin.
I like your offscreen scraping idea. I guess it makes for a complicated event loop.
|taxilian||09:08||dmg10: some of the mac code would be applicable; primarily WebKitCore would be applicable|
|dmg10||09:08||And thanx for your help! It's really awesome how much work you've put into this!|
|taxilian||09:08||it is, isn't it? :-P
I'm glad you find it helpful; please contribute back however you can
(documentation, blog posts, finding / fixing bugs, etc)
|dmg10||09:08||It's been an age since I've been C++ing. The last time I looked at cmake I don't remember them supporting VisualStudio....|
|taxilian||09:08||heh. that has been awhile, then|
|dmg10||09:08||So, it will be slow going, but I'll get there, will try and help out however I can... especially if I go down the webkit route|
|FireBreathBot||09:08||Found 8 matching file(s) in the master branch. First 5 are:
|taxilian||09:08||so the files in that directory contain a BrowserHost object, a JSObject that can wrap a JSAPI object, and a JSAPI object that can wrap a JSObject
|dmg10||09:08||yeah, I've read that webkit can be a beast to get compiling on windows... and theres the whole wincairo thing. Don't really understand the layout of it yet.|
|taxilian||09:08||you could potentially go directly to WebCore
rather than trying to get the full webkit
but it's been a long time since I've tried it
|dmg10||09:08||ok, not really aware yet of the difference :) But I got more reading to do. Will come back if I get lost. Think I'll try for the scraping idea first.|
if you figure out a way to do that, please let me know
I've been wanting to do that for quite awhile
but I haven't had time to figure it out
if it's even possible
|taxilian||11:08||kylehuff: in the mood for any more graphics dev?|
|kylehuff||11:08||taxilian: as much as I am in the mood to get punched in the face... what do you got?|
|taxilian||11:08||lol. I just need an icon for an iphone app, wondered if you had any ideas. it's an iphone version of the hamstudy app
anyway, just if it sounds entertaining to you. not urgent either
|kylehuff||11:08||well, I think iphone app icons are usually high-gloss... otherwise I'm pretty much useless at the moment... though, if you have an idea and can describe what you are looking for I can try to accomplish that. maybe in the process I might even run into some creativity and propose an alternate|
|taxilian||11:08||you don't actually have to apply the gloss effect
well, parts are anyway
my only idea was the tower from the kd7bbc logo w/ the green background
well, or the gray
|kylehuff||11:08||what?! lol -- that is funny|
|taxilian||11:08||also the rounded corners are automatic
|kylehuff||12:08||that is funny... I guess it helps for a more uniform UI... but seems kind of overkill|
|taxilian||12:08||welcome to apple dev|
|linearray||12:08||once you've seen android icons, you know why :)|
probably some truth to that....
towards which sidE?
|kylehuff||12:08||I have an android, and lots of applications -- nothing appalling or nonfunctional about their icons that I have noticed.|
|linearray||12:08||I used to have an android... but I'll admit I had bad luck
returned it, now iphone.
I will buy a google motorola when it comes out! :)
|taxilian||12:08||a google motorola?|
|linearray||12:08||google bought motorola today
|taxilian||12:08||wow… seriously? how did I miss that?
ahh, not all of motorola, but motorola mobility
|kylehuff||12:08||so anyway, it sounds like you are on the fence about the color, so I will make one of each (with faux border and gloss effect so you can see it in it's final state)|
I'll send you a coupon code for this whenever we release it
or several, so you can give some to your friends
|kylehuff||12:08||awesome, I can't imagine I would turn you down.. =c )|
|kylehuff||12:08||actually, I might have to decline the gratuity, as this will probably super easy... lol
I have three links coming your way that show what it would look like with the gray background vs. the lighter green (like the nav bar of hamstudy.org) and the darker green (like the header)
(I haven't yet set the safe-area, or positioned it correctly, so it slightly right-justified, but that is just to see what it would like on an actual device)
|taxilian||13:08||kylehuff: sorry, I went to lunch just barely before you sent that|
|kylehuff||13:08||no worries mate, I didn't even ping you since I know you read the back-log|
|taxilian||13:08||could you give me a darker gray without my callsign?|
|kylehuff||13:08||so, just the radio tower and a darker gray?|
I don't think I want the callsign on the icon;
|kylehuff||13:08||yeah np, give me a few minutes and I'll throw it up there|
|taxilian||13:08||though the tower by itself seems a little empty, I'm not sure what else to do|
|taxilian||13:08||hmm…. that doesn't work so well, I see
maybe we should do the effect ourselves
rather than letting the automatic one do it
either that or the tower needs to be a lot brighter; maybe a drop shadow? what do you think?
|kylehuff||13:08||doesn't hurt my bandwidth to try.. =c p
it might work better to also zoom in on the tower a bit so that maybe only the top 1/3rd is visible, this will fill the icon more and cause it to washout less.
|taxilian||14:08||sounds like it would be worth a try|
|taxilian||14:08||Hmm. I like that better but still not quite there; what about the idea of putting "Study" or "HamStudy" on it somewhere? think that'd look tacky or would be okay?|
|kylehuff||14:08||I actually can't picture it..... (I am really tired) -- I'll just have to put on there and see!|
|taxilian||14:08||lol. if you get tired of tinkering just let me know; anything is better than nothing, which is what we had, so I'd probably just use this one for now|
|kylehuff||14:08||no no, my imagination just isn't functioning well today. it wasn't really a very restful weekend, and my brain is only running at about 10% today|
|taxilian||14:08||:-/ never fun
mine was actually kinda nice; I finally know what I will be doing for employment next month
my Facebook contract expires on the 30th, and I will be working full time for Gradecam
kylehuff: Ben and I have been talking about it (Ben helps me with that project) and I think maybe we do like the darkgreen background better
|kylehuff||14:08||taxilian: okay, so, you want a version with the green background and the tower zoomed in?|
|taxilian||14:08||yeah; let's try that
possibly with "Study" or "HamStudy", but either way
|kylehuff||14:08||needs work I think, but maybe a start: http://tinyurl.com/darkgrn-zoom-txt-hamstudy-icon|
|taxilian||14:08||yeah; I like where that is going. Perhaps Ham and Study on seperate lines?
or maybe just Study?
|kylehuff||14:08||okay, I will break it out onto separate lines. as for just "study", my only thought is that maybe it is too ambiguous, as the type of person who studies for a HAM license is probably also studying 100 other topics, and the radio antenna might not be enough to set the topic apart from others.. just a thought|
|taxilian||14:08||valid point; let's see what it looks like
the other perspective is that this way we seem to have the app title in the icon, and then text below it as well;
|taxilian||14:08||hmm. Could I look at both of those with the font size maybe 25% smaller?|
|taxilian||14:08||awesome; let's say the "study only" version and call it good
i hate to take more of your time, and I like that one well enough for now
|kylehuff||14:08||okay, I will work on making that ready to submit and get you the files, but if there is something you think would be better just let me know and I will try to get you there. And seriously, don't feel like you are hijacking my time -- as long as you understand there is a reason I do this for free, we are good! =c )|
|taxilian||14:08||hehe. well, as much as I'd love to find a professional designer willing to do it for me, you're a whole lot better than anyone else I've got|
|kylehuff||14:08||that is exactly the reason I end up hobbling something together myself. I am too cheap to pay a professional to do it for me.. =c )|
brb, gotta put my son down for a nap
|kylehuff||15:08||hmm, looking at the docs for the icons, I don't think I need to do anything special. I think the graphic I have now will work (288px x 288px)|
|taxilian||15:08||could be; not sure if you need multiple for different resolutions or not|
|kylehuff||15:08||duh, the table at the top of the page outlines what you need... lol|
|votz||15:08||Hey guys. I stumbled across FireBreath while looking into writing browser plugins. Neat project.|
|taxilian||15:08||we like it|
|votz||15:08||I have a question of scope - how difficult would it be to use firebreath to pipe video output into a plugin? I.e. a basic plugin where params are handed from browser land to a spawned process, and then capture said spawned process's video output and display that in the browser?
I'm looking through the docs now to get a basic sense of such
*trying to get a basic sense of such
|taxilian||15:08||that's a really hard question to answer; it depends on a lot of things
for example, what do you need to use to draw the video in the plugin? if blitting it is fast enough, that part isn't hard, but if you need hardware acceleration like opengl or directx then it's much harder
and how do you plan to pipe the data between processes? that part could be tricky by itself
also what platforms do you need to support?
|votz||15:08||Well, I have the source of the process being spawned, so I could work from that. But I haven't dug in deep enough to see what libs it's using for screen output
This would just be for linux for now
|taxilian||15:08||and right there my usefulness to you dropped in half, because I've never done drawing on linux
|taxilian||15:08||so I don't know|
|votz||15:08||You live in OS X land? :)|
|taxilian||15:08||I use linux, but the plugins I've worked on generally haven't needed to run on linux|
|votz||15:08||Well, OS X is posix compliant as far as piping would go|
|taxilian||15:08||or rather it was a case of "well, that would be nice, but it's not worth spending much money on it"|
|taxilian||15:08||pipes themselves, sure; whether or not that will work for what you need? I dont' know|
|votz||15:08||This would be my first browser plugin of any kind, so I'm afraid I'm a bit ignorant as far as much of this stuff goes
So a new, separate plugin process is spawned for each instance of the plugin in all web pages, right?
some browsers (older ones now mostly) will load the plugins in the main process; those that don't will spawn a single process to host all instances of a given plugin
|votz||15:08||Ah. So a single process is responsible for all plugins of that type in the browser|
so be really careful using globals
|votz||15:08||So then what I would be looking at is a process that spawns children and more or less plays traffic cop, collecting video output from the spawned children and returning it to the appropriate in-browser plugin
Switch type process
New instance of plugin? Spawn a new process for this plugin and pipe output of said process back to that plugin and that plugin only
'that plugin' being one instance of that plugin on some browser page
|taxilian||15:08||keep in mind here that you are never allowed to block the main thread|
|votz||15:08||For older browsers you mean?
I.e. where the plugin is loaded in the main process
for any reason
|taxilian||15:08||you are never ever allowed to block the main thread
if you do, you will at best lock up the browser
any more the browser will just ask the user if it wants your plugin killed — or just do it itself
|votz||15:08||That's so that the browser can always communicate w/ the plugin I assume|
|taxilian||15:08||it's also for legacy reasons
that has always been the case; you can only communicate with the browser on the main thread, and you are never allowed to block the main thread
you are a plugin; you don't own the process
|votz||15:08||Good to know
How would I write video output back to the browser?
As far as that goes in firebreath
|taxilian||15:08||you'll need to use GDK drawing stuff
|FireBreathBot||15:08||Found 2 possible matches. Displaying 2
/^PluginWindowX11::PluginWindowX11(const WindowContextX11& ctx)$/ (f) found in src/PluginAuto/X11/PluginWindowX11.cpp: http://goo.gl/dkUR9
/^ class PluginWindowX11 : public PluginWindow$/ (c) found in src/PluginAuto/X11/PluginWindowX11.h: http://goo.gl/pltTr
|taxilian||15:08||you'll get an object of that class in your AttachedEvent|
|votz||15:08||Looking at the docs for it now - http://www.firebreath.org/display/documentation/class+FB+PluginWindowX11|
|taxilian||15:08||also look at http://www.firebreath.org/display/documentation/Frequently+Asked+Questions#FrequentlyAskedQuestions-Q%3AHowdoIdraw%3F|
|votz||15:08||So how does the handoff of data between the browser and plugin work? I take it the browser doesn't query the plugin for data, but instead just reads its image output state when it's ready to draw?
i.e. avoid polling the plugin for output
|taxilian||15:08||I'm pretty sure that on linux (like on windows) the plugin just draws
it gets a GtkSocket, basically, and draws to it
This is all new stuff to me :)
taxilian: This looks like the kind of info I need to think about how to best get started
glad I could help
|votz||16:08||I need to look more into drawing w/ gdk, too
Thanks very much for all your help taxilian
|taxilian||16:08||if you would like to contribute back to the project as a thanks, an example of drawing with X11/GDK would be very helpful to a lot of people|
|votz||16:08||Noted. If I end up getting started on this plugin and learn the ropes, I'll see about doing exactly such|
|kylehuff||16:08||okay, taxilian, I determined that you will need the symmetric sizes (in pixels): 512, 144, 72, 58, 57, 50 and 28. I created those sizes and packaged them up, you can download the archive here: http://tinyurl.com/hamstudy-iphone-image-set|
|taxilian||16:08||awesome =] wow… that's quite the set
good grief; yeah, I see what you mean, it really does need all of them
but good grief
|kylehuff||16:08||yes, but given the party involved, I'm not surprised|
now I just have to figure out how to put them in
looks like I figured it out correctly
this looks way better than the shaded white square we had before :-P
|kylehuff||16:08||no problem, let me know if you need further tweaks/edits or styling for another platform (i.e. android)|
|taxilian||17:08||awesome. probably will eventually, but I'm doing the ios version first, since I know how =]
eventually I'll probably be getting an android device and will need to learn to program for it, but not yet
|kylehuff||17:08||also, here is the source PSD, http://tinyurl.com/hamstudy-icon-master-psd|
|taxilian||17:08||cool; I appreciate that
maybe someday I'll have something that can use it :-P
|kylehuff||17:08||oh, yeah, sorry. if gimp supported layer effects I'd of provided an xcf|
Ben probably has photoshop, so if need be I'll make him do stuff =]
as for android apps, they aren't too difficult, but it requires java... *pukes* I wrote an app using the eclipse IDE, it wasn't too painful. but I can't comment on submission into the market place because it was just for personal use and was never published
I've been learning to learn Java for a very long time
maybe I finally will
|linearray||17:08||take c++ and remove tons and tons of stuff
you'll arrive at java
|linearray||17:08||(syntax-wise, the internals are quite different)|
|taxilian||17:08||I'm not totally ignorant of it; I've even done some things in it
I just don't feel competent enough to claim that I know it