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|genarek||06:03||Hi, I remember finding a way to write to the browser statusbar from inside a NPAPI Plugin. I can't remember anymore where it was or if it was in firebreath docs somewhere. Anybody knows how to do this?|
Anyone seen problems with NPAPI BrowserStreams ignoring the dont cache directive?
First request I see is requested from the server, but subsequently the server does not see a request until I clear the browser cache.
I do see that IE added the no-cache directive to the headers, but this is not present for firefox or chrome requests.
anyone know if this is an NPAPI limitation?
|Ed___||06:03||Anyone know if NPAPI supports non-cached stream requests? Works in IE :(, but not in Firefox or Chrome..|
|nitrogenycs||06:03||you can append some varying parameter to the url, e.g. "myhost.com/somePage?randomValue=90324"|
|Ed___||06:03||sure, I can work around by randomizing the url.
just wanted to check whether this is expected or a bug..
|nitrogenycs||06:03||but the GetUrl in npapi works the same way as in the normal browser
I think it's a bug on the server side
|Ed___||06:03||second request doesnt get to server|
|nitrogenycs||06:03||if you do a GetURL the server should still receive a request
then it should not answer with a 304
|Ed___||06:03||first request does not include the non-cache directive..|
|nitrogenycs||06:03||if the file has changed
I think it doesn't have to, but I am no guru
your server needs to return a Cache-Control header
|Ed___||06:03||I could try it that way too..
In IE, I do see a cache directive in the request and every following request.
Just trying to understand whether this is a limitation of NPAPI, or a firebreath related thing..
|nitrogenycs||06:03||yes, you can set the request headers with the activex streams implementation. unfortunately you cannot control the request headers with npapi :(
|Ed___||06:03||Ah yep. So looks like that might be the reason. That is what I was looking for.|
|nitrogenycs||06:03||these are the functions we can use to pull the url thourgh npapi and none of them features a field for headers :(|
|Ed___||06:03||That is what I figured, just didnt know exactly what to look for.
That's cool. I can just ensure I randomize the URL as you suggested. Probably best anyway..
|nitrogenycs||06:03||see also: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2861297/is-it-possible-to-use-the-npapi-interface-to-download-files-without-using-the-loc|
|Ed___||06:03||Nice one nitrogenycs; I think that pretty much covers it.
FYI: Wireshark confirms a local cache hit rather than a request and a 304..
|nitrogenycs||07:03||I guess you need the must-revalidate thing then
it seems to tell the client to ping the server each time about the status
I thought that's what would always happen by default, but obviously not
there's also the no-cache and max-age thing
|Ed___||07:03||Hi nitrogenycs; Dropped out there second. What is the must-revalidate?
I guess if I am requesting non-cache, it makes sense to try as much as possible to force that..
|nitrogenycs||07:03||there seem to be quite a few ways to send the cache-relatd headers
and the must-revlidate
|nitrogenycs||07:03||I am no expert in http headers and caching, you might need to look round a bit|
|Ed___||07:03||the server-side is fine. i just need to avoid the local cache.|
section 14.9.4 lists quite a few options
that's for the client side
|Ed___||07:03||but if we cant set headers via NPAPI, then all these dont help.|
|nitrogenycs||07:03||yeah, I just saw
but there must be a reason why the browser is not asking the server again
|Ed___||07:03||ah I see; you mean force the server to declare it as non-cachable.|
If the server tells the browser "you can cache this forever" then the client won't make a new request of course
and that might be the behaviour you're seeing
|Ed___||07:03||Yeh, pretty sure I can solve it that way. Or a randomized URL.|
|nitrogenycs||07:03||there seem to be ways for the server to tell the client to re-request each time
yeah, random urls do the same
|Ed___||07:03||I should be able to set that on the server no problem.
a tweak to a .htaccess I am sure..
That's fine anyway. Just wanted to verify there wasn't anything more I could do on the client/plugin side.
Thanks for the answers.
|nitrogenycs||07:03||:) np, I wish npapi had support for headers
I could've used them in more than one occasion
|Ed___||07:03||I can see it might be a security issue, but frustration nonetheless|
|nitrogenycs||07:03||hmm, why do you think it might be a security issue?|
|Ed___||07:03||well, phishing / privacy
add any old headers with private info. maybe they decided that rather than police it, just prevent it..
dunno. just trying to see why they might have no included it..
|nitrogenycs||07:03||hmm, your plugin can always put data into the url as well. Or it could just use curl to send the headers as it likes to...|
|Ed___||07:03||yes, fair enough
or fire up a completely independent request themselves.
|nitrogenycs||07:03||they moment people install your plugin they are doomed ^^|
|Ed___||07:03||ha ha! you discovered my plan..
nitrogenycs; Thanks again for the help and pointers. TTFN
|taxilian||08:03||FireBreathBot: tell gerarek the setstatus function in NPAPI is deprecated and doesnt work on all browsers, sok we dont support it|
|FireBreathBot||08:03||taxilian: I'll pass that on when gerarek is around.|
taxilian, your fixes did seem to fix the problem
going to go grab some breakfast
|taxilian||09:03||dan2: glad to hear it. I'm about to head to work, will be online afterwords
neilg_: I am far too easily amused...
|FireBreathBot||09:03||Found 1 matching file(s) in the master branch. First 1 are:
Have fun :)
|nitrogenycs||09:03||haha, the "tell" thing is too cool|
|taxilian||09:03||FireBreathBot: tell nitrogenycs: I can't take credit for "tell"; it came with the phenny ircbot that I'm using. http://inamidst.com/phenny/ (and our extensions are at https://github.com/firebreath/os_projectbot)|
|FireBreathBot||09:03||taxilian: I'll pass that on when nitrogenycs is around.|
|neilg_||10:03||FireBreathBot: tell neilg_: You did this!|
|FireBreathBot||10:03||You can tell yourself that.|
|taxilian||10:03||FireBreathBot: tell neilg_: sucker|
|FireBreathBot||10:03||taxilian: I'll pass that on when neilg_ is around.|
|taxilian||10:03||the next time you say something he'll tell you|
|FireBreathBot||10:03||neilg_: 16:22Z <taxilian> tell neilg_ sucker|
|FireBreathBot||10:03||nitrogenycs: 15:57Z <taxilian> tell nitrogenycs I can't take credit for "tell"; it came with the phenny ircbot that I'm using. http://inamidst.com/phenny/ (and our extensions are at https://github.com/firebreath/os_projectbot)|
he's a bit late
|taxilian||10:03||he only relays the message when he sees them say something, it seems|
|taxilian||10:03||so that you know they are really there, I imainge
|blazevit||11:03||Hi guys. I am wondering how to pass -ext WinNetFxExtension to wix through firebreath cmake files
I have a plugin that uses .NET presence checking available in wix 3.5 (since my plugin is dependent on .net)
in order to use this, I need to add another extension parameter (-ext WinNetFxExtension) to candle and light tools
and I can't seem to do that without modifying the firebreath source files
|taxilian||11:03||hang on, I'm in a meeting|
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||taxilian. I heard you were working on a video player for multiple streams. Id like to ask a few Questions. (can be offline)|
|taxilian||12:03||you may ask questions; I will answer if I can, when I can; blazevit is still waiting for me to help him with wix
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||ok, ping me when you are done, no rush.|
|taxilian||12:03||blazevit: which command needs the extension parameter?
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|taxilian||12:03||blazevit: https://github.com/firebreath/FireBreath/blob/master/cmake/Win.cmake#L199 is the add_wix_installer function; it looks like there are WIX_CANDLE_FLAGS and WIX_LINK_FLAGS
which you can set before you call add_wix_installer to add flags
jshanab_wcw: feel free to ask when ready; I may be a little slow at responding is all
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||I was writing a player based on live555 and libavcodec and it was being a pain, so we are trying libvlc instead. (1 level up) I was wondering what kind of libraries or arch you have, we have a decent amount of latency with libvlc|
|blazevit||12:03||taxilian: it says in the docs that i need this for both light and candle...in the original FireBreath sources -ext WixUtilExtension and -ext WixUIExtension are added throught EXT_FLAGS in cmake/win.cmake...
I cannot set EXT_FLAGS in my own cmake files as the variable is reset in win.cmake
setting WIX_LINK_FLAGS works... I just hope it's future proof :)
accodring to the name I would expect to pass this via EXT_FLAGS (as default extensions are)
|taxilian||12:03||it should be
I don't plan to change it
jshanab_wcw: we have our own video streaming protocol; we use h.264 and AAC currently, but we used to use VP7
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||What are the benifets of your own protocol, I think I am giving up all my statistics, reverse play by frame and random access to anywher in the video.|
|taxilian||12:03||jshanab_wcw: are you familiar with the concept of Adaptive Bitrate HTTP streaming?|
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||taxilian. I have heard of it, but it slips my mond at the moment. Is that for smooth bandwidth throttling|
|taxilian||12:03||kinda; the company I'm working for actually pioneered the technology; it's been doing it for about 6 years now. It can adjust the profile (bitrate, resolution, etc) of the video frames to make the best use of your available bandwidth
no buffering, etc
actually makes it possible to watch live video online without waiting for it to stop and buffer all the time
|taxilian||12:03||it's actually pretty amazing; Microsoft copied it with SmoothStream, Adobe with their HTTP Adaptive stuff, and apple's adaptive video stuff for ipad and iphone, but nobody else has managed to make it work at nearly the same quality
after I left the company I spent 6 months trying to do similar stuff with those other technologies; it's just not there yet
now I'm back contracting for them
they're using FireBreath going forward
this is where I learned plugin stuff, actually
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||very nice. Is this plugin for sale?|
|taxilian||12:03||unfortunately, no. it's a pretty closed system
also requires special encoders
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||ok, thanks. It does sound like you are either transcodeing or have special hardware. I want to do something similar using openCL or CUDA|
|taxilian||12:03||it's a little more complicated than that, but we do have to transcode it ahead of time into the correct format, correct parameters, etc, so that it can be segmented in 2 second chunks
and 11 to 14 different profiles
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||Wow, taht is a small chunck and a lot of profiles.|
|taxilian||12:03||every two seconds it may or may not change profiles mid-stream
also useful for trick play -- seek to a particular place, just need to get the right streamlet
there is obviously a whole lot of "magic" going on behind the scenes
but that's the basics
|blazevit||12:03||taxilian, thanks a lot for your help.|
|taxilian||12:03||blazevit: glad I could help; would you mind adding that to the wiki for the next person?
either under the wix section or in tips and tricks, probably woudl be the best places
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||I was working to the GOP level for h264, it is just a lack of hardware acceleration at this point that kills me.|
|taxilian||12:03||jshanab_wcw: the other thing that could kill you for h264 is the licensing fees
|FireBreathBot||12:03||8 results found. Note: Results limited to 8
"WiX Installer Help": http://goo.gl/6WGDI
"Deploying and updating your plugin": http://goo.gl/SLofR
"Building on Windows": http://goo.gl/VYTcE
"Re: Potential Installer Improvements": http://goo.gl/wyLmp
"Documentation To-Do": http://goo.gl/XzBGF
"FireBreath 1.4.0 Released!": http://goo.gl/84cr8
"Using FireBreath": http://goo.gl/IHwid
"Re: Potential Installer Improvements": http://goo.gl/GLZs3
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||licensing fees? I thought that was gone indefinitly for Decoding|
|taxilian||12:03||certain types of entities it's free 'til 2014, last I heard
but if it's commercial at all (flash and silverlight qualify) you have to pay for it
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||low end security cameras are puting out ultra-simpole h264 streams, mostly so they can put "h264" on the box|
|taxilian||12:03||right; but when you charge for the hardware, it's easy to include a cheap "per-camera" license fee in the price
when you're deploying a plugin and have to pay a small fee for every *install* (not computer, install), it gets pricy
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||The fees are on encoding. What happens when you use something like x264, open source?|
|taxilian||12:03||there are serious legal issues with x264|
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||humm. I thought the spec was wide opena nd anyone could implement it. I would be satisfied if the @@#@# manufact put out a valid stream. mine was [7 8 5]...... where the second key frame is being taged as type 1 :-(|
|taxilian||12:03||take a look at http://www.streaminglearningcenter.com/articles/h264-royalties-what-you-need-to-know.html|
|taxilian||12:03||yeah, you're already deeper into the implementation than I have gotten
I'm not 100% sure the info there is all valid, but it looks close from a *very* quick look
I'm not an expert, just know the things I've heard around here
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||well with the live555, which is a pull system, I had to get each frame, aggregaste and send to decoder. I was loosing 1/2 of every second because a 1, the size of a key frame, following the 7 and 8 was "invlaid and dropped|
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||I thought it was a decoding problem for a week, I have no hair left|
|taxilian||12:03||yeah, I hate dealing with crap like that|
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||Espicailly cause I could not find help. h264 is so vauge on the net
doxygen does not cut it
|jshanab_wcw||12:03||I mean, it can, but bad doxygen is just autogenerated bad documentation|
|blazevit||13:03||taxillian I've partially documented the case in Wix Installer Help but cannot complete/format the contribution
something is off with confluence
can't get into wiki markup mode
can't login after I've logged out :(
|taxilian||13:03||blazebit: I'll try it
huh. I'm having similar issues; very strange. thanks for mentioning that
I might have to wait 'til tonight to fix it :-/
|blazevit||14:03||yeah, my thoughts exactly... I'll try to update later too|
|jshanab_wcw||14:03||Only if the moon is full ;-)|
|taxilian||15:03||I'm working right now, so I don't have time to try to figure out why confluence is suddenly acting weird :-/ thanks for being willing, blazevit
I'll try to fix it tonight
|dan2||17:03||taxilian, man I need some JS help
how do I grab the top level browser window through a callback from the plugin
|taxilian||17:03||you are using frames?
stuartmorgan: Any idea why Chrome on 10.5 would return false for all "do you support drawing model ...."?
|stuartmorgan||17:03||Should only return false for original CA|
|taxilian||17:03||but ICA should work?|
|taxilian||17:03||hmm. it seems to be returning false for all of them
need to add more log statements, verify something else isn't happening; but it hit the fall through for "everything returned false" branch of the code
|stuartmorgan||17:03||Maybe only the CA define was set in FB?|
|taxilian||17:03||works fine on 10.6 box, same binary :-/|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I haven't actually set up any unit tests for negotiation so it's theoretically possible that it broke
But I can't imagine nobody would have noticed
|taxilian||17:03||does seem a bit strange|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||And that code doesn't really change
Plus, it's pretty straightforward
|taxilian||17:03||I'll let you know what we find; just wanted to check to see if you knew something that might save us time =]|
Not much room for mistakes there...
|taxilian||17:03||thanks! saves me time trying to find it|
|dan2||17:03||taxilian, opening new xul dialogs... need to grab the toolbar's plugin instance|
|taxilian||17:03||dan2: hmm. not really certain, in that case; there might be a window.parent|
hasn't worked so far
neither has window.top
|stuartmorgan||17:03||taxilian: if you only have your USE_COREANIMATION and USE_QUICKDRAW set, you'd get the behavior you are describing|
|taxilian||17:03||yeah, we figured that out just now
because you're pretending not to support QUICKDRAW
|taxilian||17:03||fair enough; thanks
that helps a lot
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I'm not clear on why you have separate defines for the two CA modes, btw
Isn't FB supposed to abstract the invalidate call?
|taxilian||17:03||I'm not either; probably will fix that
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I worry that as is, a lot of people will not use ICA out of ignorance/oversight
which would be a shame, perf-wise
I'm having a hard time convincing Eric to use it, and I'm not sure why :-P
but we'll switch to use it and update it in FireBreath
with ICA... do we draw and then call invalidate, or do we invalidate and then it calls us to draw?
|stuartmorgan||17:03||draw and then call invalidate
I may remove original CA support without warning, if that helps convince him. The same is true of Firefox, given that they seriously discussed allowing only one or two whitelisted plugins to use it
so with original CA support, are you just using a timer and pulling the bits out?
|taxilian||17:03||so why does it matter if we draw and then your timer pulls it vs we draw and tell you to pull it? (questions from Eric)
also, what is the frequency that timer runs at?
|stuartmorgan||17:03||Do you draw 100 times per second all the time?
It's a 100Hz timer
And we have to run it all the time
If you pause your movie, it's still running
If you are showing a static image in a layer, it's still running
|taxilian||17:03||the question is then raised "if the screen refreshes at 60hz, why refresh the CALayer more than that?" =]|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||(Frankly the original CA spec should never have existed.)|
|taxilian||17:03||but your point is taken =]|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I forget offhand why we picked 100
I think it was to avoid potentially always being a full cycle behind, but it's been a while
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I didn't put a lot of effort into tuning it because we don't want anyone using it|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||I didn't add enforcement to the negotiation because I didn't want to end up with plugins trying to use QuickDraw in Chrome|
|taxilian||17:03||AGL works quite nicely in Chrome, btw :-P|
|stuartmorgan||17:03||But if I find that new plugins are deliberately not using the right model, thus hurting performance in non-Safari browsers, I'll revisit that decision
Users should not have to suffer for the fact that Apple created a drawing model that only they can implement out of process
taxilian: you mean negotiation QD? It really doesn't
|taxilian||18:03||actually, we've done a lot of tests... it seems to work quite well. performs well even
don't know why
|stuartmorgan||18:03||Are you showing video?|
30 fps or so
|stuartmorgan||18:03||Then you are testing the wrong configs, or your videos are small|
|taxilian||18:03||LOL. 720p 4mbps frames? live television?
I wouldn't call that small
I'll look into it more and let you know
maybe they haven't tested it on the older boxes
anyway, I gotta run now
|stuartmorgan||18:03||Users reported unwatchable QuickTime performance on 10.5|
|taxilian||18:03||thanks for your help!
|stuartmorgan||18:03||I had to add a horrible second code path to make QT livable for 10.5 users|
|taxilian||18:03||I'll let you know what we find out; of course, we're planning to use ICA for chrome anyway (I think), but always nice to know what options are and how they do
|taxilian||21:03||nirvdrum: finally got jira and fisheye integrated|
|taxilian||21:03||blazevit: anybody's guess why, but the wiki seems to be working correctly now|
|nirvdrum||21:03||And they just released new versions of everything :-R|
|taxilian||21:03||yeah, I noticed
I'm using the RC of fisheye and jira, I think
but confluence I'd really like to update
just scared to update a live site like that
any idea how integration between confluence and jira works? what you can do?
|nirvdrum||22:03||I haven't done it in years.
But I used to do it so I could embed jira queries in Confluence pages.
It'd generate that nice table.
Mostly for milestone tracking.
Confluence upgrades tend to go pretty smoothly. JIRA upgrades are a pain in the dick.
|taxilian||22:03||hmm. will have to try the confluence upgrade
the latest round of atlassian systems (judging by crowd, jira, and fisheye that I just installed) have some much better integration options
would be nice to have
maybe would perform better too
firebreath.org is a little slow
|nirvdrum||22:03||Bumping the thread count and/or heap size tend to speed it up.|
|taxilian||22:03||I will try that
going to try an upgrade first
(with a copy of the live data)
that way the worst that happens is I lose someone's edit when I upgrade
but I get email notifications on that, so I could redo it if needed
|taxilian||22:03||hmm. well, so much for that idea
at least I backed it all up first
Man, I need to get some sleep.
Hopefully this scotch will get me through the night.
so I have it up and working... except it isn't authenticating against crowd properly
so I disabled crowd but turns out the users aren't in confluence anymore
so there are no users
|nirvdrum||23:03||I've never used crowd, so you're on your own for that one :-)|
|taxilian||23:03||kinda annoying, actually|
|nirvdrum||23:03||Most I've done is had Confluence auth from JIRA.
Dunno if they even support that anymore.
but I couldn't import the users into jira from confluence
|nirvdrum||23:03||I may have backed it with ActiveDirectory at one point, but I don't really recall.|
|taxilian||23:03||so I had to set up crowd|
|nirvdrum||23:03||Crowd also cost $1,200 for the license the last time I really set everything up :-P|
|nirvdrum||23:03||These $10 licenses are wonderful.|
|taxilian||23:03||well, open source licenses... =]|
|nirvdrum||23:03||When I ran my last company, despite there only being 3 of us, I dropped probably $15k on their products.|
|nirvdrum||23:03||Nowadays that would cost me about $30 and it'd go to charity.
Actually, that's what I'm doing for mogotest.
Yeah. It was pricey, but they were the best tools for the job.
I have to admit that this works really well
|nirvdrum||23:03||JIRA was really the only issue tracker I could get my wife to use :-P|
|taxilian||23:03||when it works :-P
and if management won't use it, it's useless... =]
|nirvdrum||23:03||It can be obtuse for sure.
But nothing even comes close to Confluence.
Search indexing Word docs and auto-saving entries were killer features.
Heh. Yeah, I forced a little slave labor out of her.
She would have quit if she had to use bugzilla.
|taxilian||23:03||I wouldn't blame her
sweet... now I've completely broken it
|taxilian||23:03||well, good to know I can still roll back to the old one easily enough|
|taxilian||23:03||lol. I started over, did everything again... and it seems to have worked this time
hey... the UPM works now...
|nirvdrum||23:03||I'm out. Time to crash.