| kalev |
07:09 |
taxilian: hey
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah, I'm looking into it
I think I know how it happened :-/
should be an easy fix
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| kalev |
07:09 |
you are reading my mind :)
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
but I still feel stupid
no, I read your email =]
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| kalev |
07:09 |
did you use hg export or something?
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah
fixed it in nightly but forgot to on the release build
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| kalev |
07:09 |
by the way, I think it's better to not completely remove old tarballs / zip files from the Download section
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
here is how I do it:
I delete the ones that have never been downloaded
and I deprecate the rest
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| kalev |
07:09 |
people might want to try older versions and it's usually much easier with tarball releases than with git
I see
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
I always leave at least one archive from each version
so if you do a search for "deprecated" you'll find them still there
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| kalev |
07:09 |
oh, I think I was stupid myself
yeah, they are all there, sorry.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
no prob
ok, the new archives should be there
I'm sure glad you thought to check that
I probably would have assumed it was a problem with an old version of hg or something
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| kalev |
07:09 |
glad to help
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
every day that goes by that our activity doesn't go back down I'm a little suprised
it looks like our push for 1.2.0 did a lot of good
we're averaging over 150 hits / day
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| kalev |
07:09 |
nice!
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
that's up 50%-100% from before the push
even Sunday we had over 100
and usually Sundays we get 30-50
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| kalev |
07:09 |
latest Ohloh hg update appears to have failed: https://www.ohloh.net/p/firebreath/enlistments
I hope it's not because of the external boost repo but just some glitch with googlecode
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
it already worked once with the boost repo
so I changed it back to the stable branch
now that we've pushed the boost change to that
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| kalev |
07:09 |
ah
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
it'll take a few minutes (maybe an hour) to run, but it looks like it's working this time
do you want access to update the ohloh stuff?
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
taxilian: Tsk tsk. Should have been 1.2.2 ;-)
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| kalev |
07:09 |
not really, I was just looking around
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
nirvdrum: there were no changes in the code
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| kalev |
07:09 |
and gave you a kudo!
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
just in the binary
kalev: thanks for the kudo =]
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
taxilian: Yeah, but the release artifacts are different.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
the release artifacts are now correct =] you may be right
but I didn't want the changelog for 1.2.2 to say "fixed the release process"
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
Then you shouldn't have screwed up the first one :-P
It's not a big project, so not likely to be a big deal.
At apache for instance, we have to do that.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
hehe
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
Just to avoid confusion with people having downloaded 2 different versions of the same binary.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah, you're absolutely right
I feel really stupid about that
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| kalev |
07:09 |
1.2.1.1 could have worked too
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
Trust me, we all do it.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
another thing that I need to figure out
is how best to indicate the version number in the code itself
and how to update that during a build
and for that matter how to update it in source control
at least it's the kind of mistake that should only happen once, since the deploy process is automated
smartest thing I ever did
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| nirvdrum |
07:09 |
Heh.
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| kalev |
07:09 |
so, we talked once about removing boost completely from Firebreath mercurial history
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah
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| kalev |
07:09 |
I'm not sure if it's a good thing to do as it forces everybody to checkout everything again
but it's pretty easy to do.
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
that's my worry
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| kalev |
07:09 |
[[email protected] fb-rewrite-history]$ du -sh firebreath/.hg
31M firebreath/.hg
[[email protected] fb-rewrite-history]$ du -sh firebreath-rewritten/.hg
19M firebreath-rewritten/.hg
so, went down from 31MB to 19MB
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
hmm. that's definitely nothing to scoff at, though
amackera: we're discussing removing the boost file history
what does everyone else think? may main concern is that it would be potentially dangerous to the integrity of the repo
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| kalev |
07:09 |
yes, that's mine too
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
I think we should probably leave it for now
but it is good to know that it is possible
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| kalev |
07:09 |
I think I would go for this if you ever want to convert the repo to git, but not just like that
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah
good point
and I'm still considering that
but I've decided there isn't yet a good enough reason to justify it
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| kalev |
07:09 |
you said that branches in hg are hard to use
are they easier in git?
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
yeah, I think so
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| kalev |
07:09 |
I think there's soon going to be a merge hell with dev repo and stable repo
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| taxilian |
07:09 |
the main thing that makes them confusing in hg IMHO is that which branch you get when you do the clone depends on what was last committed to
lol. well, let's just say that I know about what it's going to require to do that merge
and I'm not really looking forward to it
but I'm not too worried either
it isn't as bad as it looks
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| kalev |
08:09 |
the problem is that with current setup you will need to merge dev into stable
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| taxilian |
08:09 |
I can merge stable into dev first
and then push back to stable when we're ready
also, I can merge locally
and not push until I know I have it right
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| kalev |
08:09 |
with most projects I've worked with people usually create release branches, which are offsprings and will never get merged back into trunk
so all to work goes into linear trunk history
and if they need to release bug fix releases they backport specific fixes back to the release branch
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| taxilian |
08:09 |
yeah; I've considered that. I would do it to some extent wtih git since I could use git-flow
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| amackera |
08:09 |
that seems like a very SVNish approach
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| taxilian |
08:09 |
but I'm going to wait until it is an actual problem before I spend the time required to prevent it from happening again
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| kalev |
08:09 |
with git it's usually: identify a commit on master, git checkout 1.2-branch, git cherry-pick <commit-id>
cherry-pick takes one commit and backports it, so history in the 1.2-branch diverges from master but flows linearly in the 1.2-branch
and when 1.2-branch has gotten enough fixes, just tag one specific commit and release it as 1.2.2 or whatever
this way there's never need to merge 1.2-branch with master
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| taxilian |
08:09 |
yeah; I may still switch things up to use that method sometime
but for now, this works
and hasn't been too problematic
I can redo our release system or write new features… :-P
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| kalev |
08:09 |
yeah, the latter is certainly more important :)
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| taxilian |
08:09 |
Jarom is looking into improving the FBTestPlugin html test page to add some automatedish tests and then possibly do some windmill integration to make it completely automated
that will be awesome too
anyway, gotta run to school
Anson, if you haven't already, look at the latest issue (72?) with 10.4 support and tell me what you think
thx
cya
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| kalev |
08:09 |
sounds great
have fun
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| amackera |
08:09 |
sure i'll check it out
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| amackera |
08:09 |
go seems like an interesting language
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
lol... the ohloh stats on our frontpage say "Total Lines of Code: -253,451"
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| kalev |
10:09 |
haha
taxilian_away changed it today to index main repo instead of the dev. repo
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
huh. that's weird
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
posted the bug in the forum
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
I think I'll just leave it as is and hope they fix it
if they don't within a few days, I'll try changing it back or something
it wasn't updating, and I figured it probably should be on the main repo; I only switched it before to be sure that moving boost out was going to have the desired effect
I changed the "wiki" link
let me know what you think
*looks at watch*. I have 10 more minutes and then I'm done with doing FB stuff today -=]
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| kalev |
10:09 |
Ohloh Analysis Summary: Mostly written in CMake
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
lol
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
kalev, you have been quite busy eh? ;)
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| kalev |
10:09 |
I'm a busy guy!
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
taxilian, can we still access the index somehow?
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
yes
bottom link on that page
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
i like the TOC though
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
I knew you'd ask ;-)
if you remove the ?m=6 or whatever at the top the edit link reappears as well
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
hm, i'll move that up so that i'll stay the only one asking it? ^^
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
as we get more wiki pages (which is good) it was getting to be hard to find anything
hehe
ok
feel free
I just threw it together
I'm sure it could use some tweaks
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
and you my personal dynamic list of project suggestions? ^^
+didn't like
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
actually, I did like it
but I decided it was too confusing
when I tried to add my own entry to it
messed up and created another topic
and couldn't delete it
but if you're really attached to it you can put it back, if you want =]
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| cygmatic |
10:09 |
no, just asking - i'll move the OGL one to the ideas page
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| taxilian |
10:09 |
cool
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| taxilian |
11:09 |
http://logs.firebreath.org/
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| amackera |
11:09 |
sweet :D
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| nitrogenycs |
12:09 |
I was here
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| taxilian |
13:09 |
amackera: if you wanted to take a few minutes and write up some more docs sometime, a brief overview of how to use the WiX stuff would be awesome
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| amackera |
13:09 |
Okay, good call
i'll add it to the TODO
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| taxilian |
13:09 |
you're the only one who has used it in the last 8 months, I think
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| amackera |
13:09 |
there's not much documentation available online, i've found
happy to share what i've learned
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| taxilian |
13:09 |
more than anything else, the fact that it is there should be documented =]
then anything else you can add to make things easier =]
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| amackera |
13:09 |
wow
i just wasted 1/2 a day because i wasn't aware of the +universal variant in macports
lesson learned: read documentation
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| amackera |
14:09 |
Is there a way to save changes to a Wiki page without making it public? I can't finish this page yet, but I want to save my progres...
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| cygmatic |
14:09 |
besides store it as text somewhere, no
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| amackera |
14:09 |
k
Well i suppose as long as it's not added the main wiki page thing we have now then users won't see it
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| amackera |
15:09 |
writing documentation is a great way to expose how little one knows about what one is documenting
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| taxilian |
15:09 |
amackera: yeah, I have to agree with you there
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| amackera |
16:09 |
well i'm off for now, see you guys
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
anyone have any spare cycles for a simplish (no c++ required) task?
back in a bit. think about it :-P
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
"depends" ;)
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
hehe
I'd almost rather have you work on code :-P
but on the other hand
this is fairly important, I think
we need to make a better test page for FBTestPlugin
get rid of the alerts
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
ok, i'm not really a web-guy
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
and have buttons and/or automated things that excercise all of the interfaces on the API and test to make sure that they work correctly
yeah
really the two best people to do it seem to be Jarom and I
or possibly Ben
if I could talk him into it
though I believe nirvdrum has a lot of automation experience, so he might be a good candidate
the problem is, those people are all as busy as I am =]
that said, I think anyone could improve it from what it is now
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
i'd still love to implement the automated testing of plugins in automated browser at some point...
... but i don't see this happening in my spare time
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
yeah
in the mean time, I think Jarom and I have some good ideas for how we could do it with Windmill
which I think would be possibly even better in the long run
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
what is that?
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
though the automated browser could have more uses when you start tweaking it
simply because then we could test in the actual real browser on each platform
and potentially it could be done in a reusable way
to help others do test harnesses for their plugin
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
yep, the real browser was the point
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
maybe we're talking about the same thing, then
I was thinking of an idea you and I discussed once to basically emulate a browser to test all of the stuff
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
i was thinking of using embedded controls (webkit, iwebbrowser2-stuff, ...)
i.e. the real browser-engines
but you are talking of automating the actual end-user apps?
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
yeah
on a build machine
rather, a VM
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
hm, how would you set up test-cases then?
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
basically things like "Add the plugin to the browser. wait 5 seconds. Did the event fire?"
"pass this array into this function, look at the output
"
etc
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
ok, i don't know how such testing is done today
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
I don't really either
but Jarom does
and he's probably the best QA engineer I know
and he says it's doable
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| cygmatic |
19:09 |
if that works easily its definitely nice
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| taxilian |
19:09 |
the hardest part is finding the time
and I think the first step is having a page that can be loaded that will basically run its own set of tests on FBTestPlugin
and you just look at it to see if it worked
because right now we don't have an easy way to test all features
but, one thing at a time
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
hm, i just realized that i wouldn't even need to transform the testing javascript for my testing approach
though it would be much nicer to use with transformation
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
so is there any chance your company will switch to FireBreath now that it has a friendly license and good mac support?
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
no, after our take-over we are now focussing on the core engines only
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
ahh
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
we are now COLs video engineering group
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
its not been that long and now my project is basically already legacy :)
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
lol
yeah; that's how it goes
aren't you glad your ideas went into something that will get used?
=]
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
oh yes
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
and when I write my VM this semester, I think I'm going to use your functor/bind method from JSAPIAuto to make it really easy to add "assembly" calls :-P
a little extra work on the front and adding things on should be really easy
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
but the other project will still get used, its only down to bug fixing now
hm, vm sounds like fun
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
it should be
it's just that it takes a lot of time and concentration :-P
speaking of which, I better finish writing this paper… :/
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
good writing then i guess
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
oh
another thing we need to find soon
is a logo
something to think about
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
i assume you don't like the idea of a burning ie symbol?
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
lol
tempting
but not quite the idea we're looking for
hmm
but maybe some combination (each taking 1/4 of the circle) of the logos for Safari, Chrome, IE, and Firefox...
and the resulting globe either burning or sheathed in a flame...
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
hm, i think thats too much on details
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
maybe yes, maybe no; the four-in-one circle logo would be easy enough, I think
doesn't have to be precise
and a simple flame wouldn't have to be much extra
I dunno
I'd have to look at an example
I can kinda picture it, but I could never produce it
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
oh well, i don't want to sound overly negative again
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
hehe
no prob
I'm open to anything
okay, really going to focus on the paper now :-P
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| cygmatic |
20:09 |
good luck
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| taxilian |
20:09 |
thx
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| taxilian |
21:09 |
wow. we got over 200 hits today
that's more than any day in the last 6 months except last thursday and when ajaxian blogged about us
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| cygmatic |
21:09 |
might be due to me answering some old answer on SO and the help forum entry on ohloh
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| taxilian |
21:09 |
could be
hmm. 46% from google, 17% direct, 9% from SO
then freshmeat
actually, I bet the release hit freshmeat today
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| cygmatic |
21:09 |
oh, ok
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| taxilian |
21:09 |
interestingly enough, releasing often is probably the best way to get new people there
because there are sites like freshmeat that will feature you every time you have a release
and ohloh probably does some as well
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| cygmatic |
21:09 |
heh, a link search on google also turns up interesting things like http://habrahabr.ru/tag/ ... cyrillic writing of "plugin" that x-chat doesn't want to paste here
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| taxilian |
21:09 |
actually, for good reason
that site has had at least one post about us
possibly more
I don't monitor it real carefully
they translated the google code front page into Russian and posted it
with a link
the random uses of a second language =]
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| cygmatic |
21:09 |
hm, but that looks like a real short post with mentioning the w3c-api plugin
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| taxilian |
21:09 |
possible; not sure which page specifically you were pointing to
we really need to update that plugin to 1.2.1 and submit the fix
I started, but haven't had time
it's actually pretty well written
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